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Hi Beth,

You ladies at Full Clutch are going to do some kind of Christmas gift guide, right?  Us Dappered guys could use the help with shopping. I keep an eye on Full Clutch because it helps me buy gifts for my wife.

– Dave
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Hi Dave,

Ask and you shall receive. In lieu of my usual advice for all your manly problems, Sarah (of full clutch fame) and I have collaborated to create the ultimate gift giving guide for the women in your life. That’s right, we’re bringing twice the estrogen, double the breasts, and a whole lot of genius. If you like what you see here, there’s more for your favorite females at www.fullclutch.com. First up, Sarah and her suggestions…
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Pedicure for Two
Are heads exploding due to a picture like this being on Dappered?

Most women love getting pedicures.  It’s very relaxing, pampering, and it forces you to take 40 to 60 minutes to slow down and just enjoy something indulgent.  And getting a pedicure with a close friend can heighten the experience, especially if a glass of wine is involved.  Why not buy her a gift certificate for two pedicures so she can take a good friend along?  Find a spa that serves beverages, and have a bottle of bubbly waiting for them to split.  Or make it an afternoon and also get a gift card to a nearby restaurant within walking distance; this will hopefully help minimize the affects of the champagne, unless more booze is purchased with the meal.  Then you might want to be on stand-by, ready to pick up a couple of giddy women with freshly painted toes.  photo credit

 

Cashmere Ballet Slippers – $71.96 w/ SGIFTS20 ($89.95)
Stay classy, lady feet

No one NEEDS cashmere slippers, but what a lovely way for her to start a cold morning, slipping her feet into these. The thick seams on the toes of these slippers gives them a little more style than just a plain toe.  Available in four colors, ships from Red Envelope.  Code SGIFTS20 should get you 20% off your order.

 

Donation to your local Humane Society in her name

For the animal lover in your life, make a donation to your local Humane Society shelter.  These shelters are critical in controlling pet populations (as was Bob Barker), rescuing abused animals (as seen above), and trying to place animals in new homes when owners, for whatever reasons, can no longer keep them.  Most Humane Societies have gift shops.  Purchase a Christmas ornament to go along with the donation paperwork for a lasting keepsake.

 

Handheld Blender – $34.32
There will be a color that matches her kitchen

If you know a woman that loves to cook, and more importantly likes to make a lot of sauces and soups, this is an invaluable gadget to have in the kitchen.  So much easier than blending things up in batches in a blender or food processor (although both those tools come in very useful as well).  I requested one of these from the mister a few years back, and although I don’t use it that often, I sure am glad I have it when I need it.  Blending refried beans or veggie marinara sauce is so easy with one of these, and the clean up is much quicker than a food processor.  You can even purchase a model with several different attachments for chopping, grinding, whisking, whipping.  Oh my.

 

Paying for her next hair appointment
A young Angela Lansbury getting her hair did

If any of you guys have a joint checking account with your girl, you’ve probably seen how expensive a cut and color runs these days.  And for most women, it is a must.  What a pleasant surprise it would be for a woman in your life to have this necessary evil paid for the next time she walked into her salon.  This gift can work for most women in your life, from girlfriend right on up to grandma.  Just give the recipient a card, with a mysterious explanation that they will come across their gift in the near future.  If it’s your mom or grandma, they can brag to the rest of the salon about what a nice son/grandson they have.  photo credit

 

Terrarium Art
Tiny plants, big impression

Terrarium art was really popular in the 70’s, and it’s making a comeback.  You can either buy terrariums already assembled, or purchase a DIY kit for the crafty type.  The terrarium kit at left is the “Romantic DIY Kit” from Twig Terrariums.  The price is steep, and shipping is really steep, but it’s a very romantic gesture (look hard and you’ll see the couple embracing), and something to remind her of the two of you often.  The kit at right is much less expensive, and utilizes an air plant.  Terrariums are very easy to care for, and bring a bit of the outdoors inside.  Hopefully it’s the only place you’d have moss growing indoors.  Check out Etsy for an endless array of terrariums, plants ranging from moss to venus fly traps, and miniatures to place inside the terrariums.  Buying for a girl that has a good sense of humor?  Try this one.

Hope these ideas help you get the ball rolling!

Enjoy those picks from Sarah? Of course you did!  How about another handful of suggestions from Beth?

 

High Quality Costume Jewelry
Bling at a lower cost.

Hear me out. Costume jewelry gets a bad rap. We think of Great Grandma Bertha’s musty, tarnished jewelry box that smells faintly of pickled herring. My definition of costume jewelry is statement pieces of jewelry not made from precious (read: expensive) gems. Look, most men (and women for that matter) can’t afford the price tag on  a strand of pearls or diamond earrings or a ruby cocktail ring. At least not for every holiday season. But that doesn’t mean that beautiful jewels are out of reach. There is a growing number of sellers on Etsy who are producing amazing pieces made from faux pearls and crystals, that are still very high quality. My favorite is Bouvier Jewelry. Proprietor Cynthia describes her pieces as “Coco Chanel meets Audrey Hepburn meets Sophia Lauren.” She uses a combination of real and faux pearls, Swarovski crystals, semi-precious stones, and mixed metals. Her pieces are beautiful and hold up well–I own two pieces myself. Plus, she’s also willing to work with buyers on custom-made pieces. Another designer I’ve been admiring is DesignsbyDeena who makes more modern versions of the classic costume piece. Etsy is a great resource for those looking to buy original and one-of-a-kind jewelry!

 

Evening o’ fun
Wining and dining.

Hopefully you’ve been paying attention to, you know, things your lady likes. Here’s an equation that always equals x: her favorite watering hole + her favorite restaurant + an event. What bar serves her favorite martini? Take her there for one. Then on to the restaurant with her favorite steak/pasta/hummus spread. This is especially effective if you normally can’t stand the place and rarely go there with her. Finally, an event or experience of some kind that she’ll especially enjoy: play, musical, opera, concert, ice skating, basketball game, comedy club, what-have-you.  Book everything in advance, tell her how to dress in advance, then let the evening be a surprise as it unravels before her. photo credit

 

Wine of the Month Club
Nectar of the gods…or goddesses.

For all the fellas dating boozehounds out there, a wine of the month subscription could be a fun gift. There are a ton of wineries and companies now offering this product, plus each company offers different packages, so you’ll need to spend some time looking around and thinking about what would suit your gal best. Is she adventurous? Maybe an International package is a good fit. Does she stay true to California varietals? A California package would be better. Look into local wineries to see if they offer some type of gift package. That way, she won’t have to deal with shipping (some states require a person 21 or older to be home to sign for the wine when it’s delivered).  photo credit

 

Basket of Favorite Things
See? I do listen to you, dear.

The gifts I’ve been given that have really floored me are the ones that show how well the giver knows me. What if you put together a gift basket of all your lady’s favorite things? Empty gift baskets are plentiful in thrift stores for between $1-$3. Place a bit of colorful, crumpled up tissue paper in the bottom of the basket, then cram it full of small things that make her smile. A bag of her favorite candy or a box of her favorite tea. A bottle of scented lotion from the bath store she frequents. A gift card to her favorite local boutique. A pair of warm, elegant gloves in her favorite color. Get creative, and don’t let small items scare you off. If she’s crazy about something as simple as a flavor of chapstick, or a brand of gum, include it! You’re proving to her that you know what she likes, and that it’s important to you to make her happy. (Incidentally, a gift like this would work well for female relatives whom you know well.) photo credit

 

Pet beds/houses
Comfy cats and cozy canines.

It might seem strange to buy your other half something to be used by the dog or cat, but humans often get more joy out of pet gear than the animal does. Retailers have long been aware of this fact and have thus created amazing dog and cat beds and houses that are cushy and comfortable (bonus for the animal), as well as being devastatingly cute and charming (bonus for the human). The website Fab.com has a huge assortment of these gifts, all at discounted prices. You have to sign up to access many of their pages, but it’s well worth it. At left in the image above is Red Shoe Cat House by Etna Products for $16, and at right, Roll Over Pillow Pack Kit (small) by molly mutt for $40.

 

Art Classes
Is she a Picasso in the making?

Art classes are a great way to relax, reduce stress, and nurture that underappreciated impulse to create. Plus, there are SO many options out there. Paper stores often offer scrapbooking classes; art stores give instruction on everything from watercolor painting to jewelry making; and community education is a goldmine–pottery, woodworking, even stained glass. Don’t overlook art-focused nonprofits in your area that may offer unique classes like bookmaking/binding. You can sign up for classes that are several months long and produce several pieces of art, or a class that takes place once, over an afternoon, in which you produce a single piece. A great gift for your lady to do on her own, or with friends, or just the two of you. photo credit

Happy shopping fellas!

Got a question for Beth? Send it to: askawoman@dappered.com

Comments

  5. Come on, guys! Please cut Beth some slack here. Obviously what kind of gifts the person would want will vary greatly based on what that person likes. She is being helpful and trying to make suggestions and give us ideas. I think she did a good job of that.

  6. Beth, what recommended brands/styles for women’s leather boots? Like almost to the knee height ones.

  7. It took me 3 years to convince my step-dad that he should get my mom a Kitchenaid stand mixer for Christmas. To this day, its one of her favorite gifts.

  8. I’m not a girl but my experience shows that MOST girls care more about how something looks than the label on the inside. Unfortunately boots have to fit not only on the foot, but all the way up the leg (unless they’re the western variety). You’ll do best to find out her calf circumference.

  9. I may treat her to a list of my favourite meals to go with the blender. If she’s good that is…

  11. An American Express study showed that 60% prefer giftcards to anything else…Most enjoy the experience of shopping…You can go wrong with a Victoria Secret giftcard…It shows that “you care” about her sexiness and also get the benefits from it…

  12. You people aren’t thinking deep enough so try connecting the dots. Try thinking like a girl…

    Pedicure for Two – Women love pampering. Spa days are expensive. It’s an indulgence.
    Cashmere ballet slippers – Those are actually pretty damn cool. My wife would love them. I would nab them for her if I saw them in a store.
    Donation to Humane Society – Most of the remaining gifts are for specific types of women. My wife used to work at the SPCA and would LOVE this. Maybe yours won’t. But if she would like it and you gave it to her, it would show THAT YOU KNOW HER!!!
    Handheld blender – Yes it’s an appliance. But if you knew anything about cooking you would know that this one is useful for either athletic buffs or niche cooking. So if your significant other is into either of those things, this is a good gift. It’s not about what it is. It’s about what it represents.
    Paying for hair appointment – This is part pampering, part practical. It puts more money back in her pocket for other things she would like to have. Women’s hair is expensive.
    Terrarium art – Women are “nesters” more so than men. They (generally) like to decorate. Accept it. Go with it.
    High quality costume jewelry – It’s jewelry. It speaks for itself.
    Evening of fun – Also self-explanatory.
    Wine of the Month – If she’s a wine drinker, she’s ll like this. It shows that you pay attention to what she likes.
    Basket of favorite things – Again, it takes more than money to put together. It takes a deep understanding of knowing what she likes.
    Pet beds/houses – A good gift for animal lovers. I know that sounds “duh”, but really let that sink in for a moment.
    Art classes – This one a big time winner, too. My wife has received this from her sister before and it was a big hit.

    Look… Gift giving is about saying “I got you the perfect gift because I know you inside and out.” Gifts are most appropriate within the context of the giver and recipient. These are all solid gift choices for the right person. And chances are, all the girls that you guys are dating can probably come on here and find five things on that list that they would like. Everything? Of course not. My wife would hate a hand blender. My sis-in-law specifically asked for a hand blender. Every woman is different.

  13. If you don’t know what the blender is for, you’re best staying away from it. But I can say with confidence that you don’t know what you’re talking about right now…

  15. Ok, that was too long so I’ll boil it down. Just connect the dots. The best gifts are targeted towards what she likes.

    If she likes pampering – nails
    If she’s socially conscious – Human Society
    If she looks cooking – handheld blender
    If she likes primping – hair appointment
    Jewelry is jewelry
    Evenings out are evenings out
    If she likes wine – wine of the month
    Gift basket = cornucopia of “I get you”
    If her dog is her furry child – pet stuff
    If she likes art – art classes

    Women are “connectors”. By giving gifts that are specific to what they like, it’s like saying “I understand you.” And that’s better than anything in a box.

  19. 1. I know what a blender is for. Changing the size and consistency of things (generally food).
    2. I am talking about giving the special lady in my life the gift of a blender and a list of my favourite meals. The idea being she can use the blender to prepare the meals for me.

  21. Not if she cooks. I personally enjoy cooking, and a stick blender is a great tool to have. Think if you like woodworking or have a hobby like that and someone gets you a good plane, or mitre saw, or whatever…. Obviously depends on the person but it can be a very appreciated gift.

  22. No, an immersion blender is really just a blender — it’s just that it can be used in places where you couldn’t use a canister blender, e.g. in cases where you’ve got so much soup that it would take ten batches in the canister blender, or in cases where the handheld nature of the immersion blender may allow you greater control.

    And, yes, I have an immersion blender.

  23. Sure, it’s a blender, but it’s a highly specific kind. Generally speaking, nobody buys one unless they cook a lot. It’s not particularly useful for the average Joe, but it’s a totally appropriate gift for a hobbyist cook. That’s not to say it isn’t useful to the average Joe. You just don’t see them buying many of them. It’s considered a specialty item.
    For that matter, I actually gifted the exact one listed in this article to my sister-in-law a couple of years ago… Because she specifically requested it.

  24. Ah. I forget how young we can skew some days. Lemme break it down. This here SpaceApe appears to be:

    – Young (teens? early 20s? not that there’s anything wrong whatsoever with being young, but if you’re older, you’re less likely to leave a negative comment. Us “old” dogs have a tendency to shrug and move on)
    – Male
    – And most tellingly, the type who’s spent so much time on the internet that he’s up for leaving a douchey comment in reply to a post written with the best of intentions by a couple of women.

    So in order to customize a gift suggestion for him, we gotta anticipate what kind of woman would be attracted to him. Got it.

    Bottle of Midori and a spray tan. Hold her hair for her when she pukes up the Midori and you’ll earn extra points.

    Meanwhile, I’d like to thank the 99% of you who despite others, continue to make the comments section on Dappered a rare place of internet awesomeness. It’s one of the couple things that separates this corner of the net from others. Where people can talk in the comments like they’d talk to each other face to face. Carry on my homies.

    P.S. SpaceApe, yes you can be critical. But just don’t be a dick about it. That just spirals into an enormous, unproductive waste of time for everyone. Cool? Enjoy Algebra class today.

  25. I think the evening o’fun is an often overlooked gift. Tickets to some kind of event and then dinner/drinks around it are great. I’ve used it for the Mrs a couple of years in a row. Going to have to mix it up this year and try something else – but it was always appreciated and a good time.

  27. Couldn’t agree more. My wife consistently praises me as being a great gift-giver, and her favorite gift ever was a night out to see her favorite music group at an upscale venue.

  28. Agreed with SpaceApe. And I do find it interesting how Joe’s the one who gets all huffy about it after labeling himself an “old dog.” You’re getting too big for your britches Joe.

  29. I am curious as to how old SpaceApe and those people agreeing with him are. I’m 23 and all of these seem like nice gifts. Maybe it just needs to a be a post-college relationship…I guess these sorts of things don’t make sense if you’re in some temporary flat pounding Natty Light around an Ikea kitchen table your parents bought you. But for two people navigating the real world together, these are spot on suggestions.
    Thanks Beth & Sarah!

  31. I Completely agree Cosmosopher,

    I think these ideas are geared in the same sense as this site is. Dappered isn’t about waking up throwing your favorite pair of worn jeans, flip flops and heading out to Hollister to pick up your weekend fit. This site is about improving your personal style…

    Furthermore, I think that Beth was spot on, getting a gift for the woman who is in the same boat as you, who wants something classier than a matching set of underwear from Victoria’s Secret(though some do). Also, I think its a little difficult for Beth to give gift ideas for every woman out there. We all know women are somewhat complicated at times, even Beth has admitted that, but, I’m sure that if the woman(inject your life here) in Most’s life has been dropping hints on what she wants as her gift, or a thought, most women know as most of us men know, we sometimes just don’t want to say it aloud, or we want more of a surprise in a category.

    Thank you Beth and Sarah
    and Happy Hunting Gentlemen.

  32. One day, young fella, you’ll lose a girl to a “Real Man” who buys her gifts like those suggested.

    Treat them like a lady no matter what their age.

  33. Ahhh .. Melon Ball Shooters. What a throwback concept. Absolutely delicious but if you overdo it you might as well set a timer = you have 2 “good” hours tops between ingestion and puking. “Life-of the Party” in between though.

  36. Still not getting the point of the gift. See my comment above:

    Food is sexy. Doing things together is too.

    Don’t hand it to her and say “OK, now cook something”.

    Open it up and make something FOR her – or use it together and get sloppy.

  37. A gift card by itself says “I took all of 4 minutes to spend a moderate amount of money so I could go on with my own business”.

    Here’s an idea how to do it right:

    Attach the V.S. card to a ribbon. Attach yourself to the other end. Make her take you to try the stuff on. And model later.

  39. That’s fair. But if she doesn’t like cooking, it’s still not a very good gift. She’s got to enjoy cooking to begin with. Otherwise, it’s just a chore.

  41. You might want to consider being the one that can cook. Nothing better than a guy who can cook food ladies like. Way more personal than buying dinner.

  44. For gifts and stocking stuffers, I’m a big fan of “costume jewelry” (as it has been defined here: statement jewelry made of non-precious materials) and anything made from cashmere. Sierra Trading Post has some cashmere knit gloves for $24-30 which would make a great stocking stuffer.

    Practical stocking stuffers can also be fun. I’ve given small Leatherman tools and Fenix flashlights in non-traditional colors and the recipients always seem to like them and use them. If you’re looking for a simple and practical gift to give to a man or woman, Costco is selling two-packs of mini Leatherman tools for $30.

  46. I thought SpaceApe’s comment was pretty funny.

    But I also thought most of these gifts were in a good vein, thought not all are gifts I would give. Joe was spot-on with the “sharing your life” comment, and I think the list says as much about the list-maker as it does about anything else. I’ve been with my girl for about 10 years now and the kind of things I think to give her now are far different — *most of the time* — than what I gave her 8 years ago.

    Now, I look for things that impart warmth, comfort, escape, relaxation, quietude; things that appeal to the girl in the woman I know; and finally, things that capture the lady in her.

    Outside of those generalities, one thing I’ve never gone wrong with is jewelry — and not necessarily expensive or costume. In my experience, every woman has a different aesthetic when it comes to adornments and if you know hers, it says a lot about how much attention you’re paying.

  48. I fall somewhere in between Joe and ‘SpaceApe’ on this one. That being said, there is no reason to be mean/ sarcastic with your comment for someone that is giving free gift ideas.

    The cashmere slippers are definitely something I would consider buying my girlfriend (she use to do ballet and loves when I wear cashmere). That being said, I would like suggestions for gifts that are a bid more romantic. I have already searched FullClutch for jewelry from Etsy and have gotten some good ideas from it. More suggestions like that would be much appreciated.

  51. Actually, my elderly mother, for reasons she refuses to divulge to anyone aside from the voices in her own head, insists on electronic gifts, which then collect dust wherever they land, assuming they’re even unboxed.
    I’ve opted to eschew the annual chicken-f*ckery in favor of an Amazon gift card and to spend the surplus time at something altogether more productive, such as slamming my personal head in the car door eighty or ninety times.

  52. Joe, I love Dappered and all, but I have to reply to all of this.

    So just to be clear, you are saying, “Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.” Am I correct about that? I don’t see such responses to every joke and sarcastic comment posted on this website. And the people are judging him quite harshly and yet telling him not to make judgmental comments?

    He made a brilliant, succinct joke. I am not a mind-reader and this is just an assumption, but I interpret it that way because there is no 4+ paragraph diatribe explaining his joke and picking apart Beth’s suggestions. There are however several multiple paragraph diatribes attacking his joke.

    Regarding intentions, I always use the example: “Hitler had the best of intentions for Germany when he took over… see what his good intentions did?” As Beth had good intentions making the list, for all we know, SpaceApe’s intentions were to inject early morning humor into all of us. Or spark discussion. Are these not good intentions? The point is: Intentions are pointless if the outcomes suck.

    Two things I learned from the communication industry that I find people on the internet forget:
    – If you write and publish, be prepared for critics.
    – Half of the responsibility in communication lies with the speaker. Half of the responsibility lies in the listener. If you interpret something like “The sky is blue” as “How does he know the sky on my side is blue? As a matter of fact, how does he know whether I’m color-blind or not and can’t see blue? Or maybe I can’t see at all!”, then that is telling about how you are listening and interpreting. NOT what the person actually wrote. For all we know, SpaceApe is the world’s most brilliant one-line writer, is 55 years old, married, 5 kids, and is Joe’s uncle.

    And now for disclaimers. I don’t know SpaceApe, I’m 33 years old with 2 Master’s Degree’s, a PhD, and wife that I’ve been with for 10 years. I work in the communication and marketing industry. And finally, my wife finds SpaceApe’s comment incredibly humorous.

    And now my diatribe is over. I have a date with my wife, along with the pot and kettle as well. We are going to make soup with that immersion blender.

  53. I wrote the original email to which Beth and Sarah were responding. It was exactly what I was hoping for. Kudos ladies!

    Also, ironically, the woman in my life is SpaceApe’s mom so I know she’s going to love it.

  54. More than fair in more than a few ways, although I’m not on board with it all. One thing that I’m absolutely certain of, is this comment chain was an unfair distraction to the work Beth and Sarah put in. And I myself personally did zero to help change that.

  57. I’m a 27 year old married attorney. My wife and I both found the post humorous. Beth did a great job compiling nice, thoughtful gifts. . . just a little underwhelming. But hey, I know I’m not compiling a list anytime soon. More power to her.

  58. Not the same at all. My wife loves the $300 plus stand mixers (made in America, btw). But the handheld, made in china blender is nothing she can proudly tell her friends about.

  59. It’s not about bragging rights. It’s about catering directly to someone’s interests (in this case, cooking) as a showing that you recognize what they enjoy doing and you encourage it. It shows that you “get” them. A $300 stand mixer is a crap gift to someone who hates baking. That being said, I totally have one and I love it. :-)

  60. Joe, I think you are spot on that this comment thread was an unfair distraction. And we all contributed to it.

    You are definitely in a hard position between being completely fair to everyone (the good and the bad) in the Dappered community and yet wanting to expressing your own perspective. Especially when it’s a strong and perfectly valid opinion.

    You guys do a great job with the website and all of the content. And it does suck when someone decides to take a jab at all of the hard work that goes into this. So what if one person takes a jab at your work? You guys do a great freaking job… The site wouldn’t have lasted if you guys didn’t!

    I think we’ve all grown from this and bonded stronger than ever. 😀

  62. I read this list out loud to my wife and she said “yes” to 7 out of 10. 70% ain’t bad for not knowing anything about my wife. So there.

  63. I like this blog less every day, and things like this bizarre response to what I thought was a pretty funny one-liner are a big reason why.

  64. Two masters degrees and a PhD later and you still can’t figure out that an apostrophe with an “s” at the end of a word makes it possessive, not plural. Guess that’s what all that education gets you. Oh well, at least you let us know that you edited for typos.

  65. I would have done the same thing. If it was my wife who put in all this work and someone made a childish comment like that, I would have happily obliged said anonymous commenter by treating as a child. Well done sir.

  66. Don’t know if my other reply got through, but if it did, then I will come back and delete it.

    I thought you were asking about the “Master’s” part but I see that I made a mistake on the “Degree’s” part. I corrected that to “degrees”.

    Thanks for the corrections. I really appreciate it.

  67. I checked one of my diploma letters and it says “… contained is your Master’s degree of Science in…” Can you do a quick check of your letter as well?
    And this thread really needs to die.

  68. Dang, this post turned out to be pretty controversial I guess. I liked the Bill video and I’m totally gifting a terrarium. And I thought all the suggestions were legit. I’m interested to see next year’s list if Beth and Sarah haven’t been dissuaded from doing one by the unconstructive criticism.

  69. For a style site, both dappered and full clutch, I expected this post to have more clothing items than just a pair of slippers. My wife wants a new work outfit and I am having a hard time putting it together. Piecing a work outfit together and maybe also a casual outfit in this post would be more beneficial to me than some kitschy items. I even went to the full clutch website the other day looking for ideas and it totally underwhelmed. Just my 2 cents…